Taylor Swift and Selena Gomez may be worshipped by millions of fans, but the adorable duo have one down-to-earth friendship.

The "Red" singer sat down with E!'s Jason Kennedy to dish on her latest album, the pressure she puts on herself to succeed and, of course, her famous friends like Selena. And while the celeb BFFs may get 9 million likes on every Instagram pic they post (we pray for five on our feed), the pop singing pair are more average than they might seem:

"When Selena and I get together we're not like ‘So what scripts have you read lately?' or like ‘Have you gotten any really good music video ideas lately?'" Taylor tells E! News with a tinge of sarcasm. "It's just about our lives as human beings…about love and stuff."

And while that all sounds very normal, what's not so average are the besties' famous beaux—Conor Kennedy and Justin Bieber, respectively—whom Taylor and Selena undoubtedly dish about when the twosome get together (we'd kill to be a fly on the wall for those conversations!).

But that's not all Miss Swift spilled. She also shared the story behind her hit song "We Are Never Getting Back Together" (unfortunately, the ex in question still remains a mystery) and explained how the breakup ballad came about:

"It just happened accidentally," Taylor admits. "We were writing a different song completely, and in walks this guy…he is a friend of my ex's.'"

She continues, explaining how he starts talking about her ex, claiming they are getting back together.

"After he leaves, I went on this rant…and I ran and grabbed the guitar and just said, ‘We are never ever...' and I was like ‘Is that too obvious?' and it turned out it's not too obvious."

Nope. Just obvious enough to be totally awesome.

Can't get enough T.Swift? Be sure to watch the full interview airing on E! News tonight at 7 p.m. and 11:30 p.m!

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